thoughts please

Greetings folks , paid a visit to Gala last night , had a topsy turvy night , with chip stack being way above average at break with 30400 to 2900 in like 5 mins after break . From there on with some good fortune and winning a race or two get back to 18000 or so and myself back in a chance .. With blinds at 500-1000 and antes of 100 my stack doesnt allow for much fancy play . In the hand I go out on the ass in question who is well known regular around the Birmingham game and has years of experience decides to raise 3300 from 2nd pos , his play is erratic at the best of times and is manner replicates this too , i find J J on the button , and I have already seen him show T T and 77 with bigger raises pre f but I decide to make a stand and have fold equity if he is at it . I shove from the button and with two players left to act the raiser annouces call straight away shoving the rest of is stack in like a spaz still looking at me knowing what he had done , the sb folded straight away but the Bb who I know stated he had a pp himself and yet due to the reaction of the raiser has folded because his action is repping real strength and I for one was not in any way comfortable with my JJ now .My point to my story is that this player knew exactly what he was pulling , pulled a massive angle ( cheating ) in my opinion and does not get penalised in any way , he has not acted out of turn by one player but two which is pretty obvious . This is the first occasion at Gala that I have not seen any action by a dealer and then none by the supervisor when I have made my comments about what took place. Other players at the table had agreed that is actions were at the least unsavoury and were pointed out that this is not the first time he has done something along these lines.

As I am not fully clued up on the rules of poker etiquette and not 100 % sure of the penalties in the game I would like to hear some feedback from you good folks as to your thoughts about the act that took place and if I had genuine reason to feel a little pissed off. Lets put it this way this tool is now number 1 on my slowroll list !



PS his hand was not in front of mine pre f he had AQ so oversold his hand by his actions and as is life he spiked Q on q44 flop when SB told me he passed q4 pre f .

All comments most welcome

It`s a matter of judgement. There is no automatic penalty for acting out of turn, though the TD would have the freedom to impose a penalty if he were persuaded that the player acted deliberately and was therefore guilty of unethical play.

thanks for that , his play was definately unethical and was deliberate , however not even a word was said to him from staff and I was disappointed with this , the guy in question is first to run his mouth when things don't go his way and calls for rulings . I will make a bigger point of complaining to staff to make a judgement when clear unethical play takes place

I think I know exactly who your talking about mate! He did exactly the same thing to me about a month ago!

As for punishment all I have heard is a two hand penalty for acting out of turn, other than this haven't heard of anything else.

I did speak to the player in question, but I waited for his table to be broken before I did it because I didn't want the rest of the players at the table chipping in. Obviously he didn't take it well, but from his body language I could tell he knew what he was doing.

While it was fairly obvious that the out of turn call was made on purpose, it can't actually be proved. As there actually isn't anything in our rules at the present time for punishing players on the table for acting out of turn, other than a warning, there wasn't really much else I could do.

I do apologise for the situation, but as we all know, while the cat (Jon) is away, the mice will most certainly play up and the incident has been logged for Jon to deal with as he sees fit when he returns.

Mike.

Thanks for the reply and the action that you did take. I will not hold my breathe with regard to the mug in question taking any bit of notice , and I hope that Jon can take notice of the person in questions actions. I will endeavour to pull up any action that I see out of order and I would suggest that the dealers in future take a tougher line with blatant disregard for poker etiquette . The vast majority of players don't seek to gain an unfair advantage , however if someone who can continuously get away with these type of actions doesn't get pulled up on them , then it may become a far more common occurence and detriment to the game up Gala..

Regards